Terrible analysis. Not all Palestinians are Hamas. Hamas was created by the Israeli state. Israel permitted the terrorists to escape and slaughter Israelis. Don't you know that the security Israel has is so advanced, that a mouse couldn't escape without their permission and they know what's going on in Gaza. This is psych-op to give the colonizers their wish, to destroy the indigenous people. Don't follow the herd. Look more deeply. Israel has treated the Palestinians in the most horrid way for generations. I am not against Israel. I just want to see a sane solution that won't take us into WWIII.
Once Iran is attacked, Russia will come in, and then no one knows how much it will expand. Genocide should never be a solution for anything. Go against the grain. War is never a solution. Both sides are pawns in the game: https://davidicke.com/.../david-icke-whats-really.../
Yes, Palestinian Christians are in a desperate situation, ever since the PA took over and instituted Sharia law. Those who were able to leave have left. Those who can't leave can only dream of the freedom and prosperity the Israeli Arab Christians have.
Actually, the only Middle Eastern country where the Christian community is growing, instead of shrinking, is Israel. Check the stats.
No, but ALL ARE jihadist of 1 or more types among the 8. Their ideology requires that of them. Soin1 way or another every practitioner of Islam is working to bring about the caliphate and destruction of ALL other belief systems, and governing systems. Evil finds a way, when it chooses to. Israelis did not choose this "Palestinians Muslims" did, and Muslims have been choosing it wherever they are for nearly 1400 yrs, since Muhammad dreamed it up.
How long has there been a Jewish community in Iran? If Iranians were going to destroy this competing belief system, it sure is taking them a loooooong time.
Honestly, Israel likely told Hamas what to put in their charter because Hamas was created to misrepresent Gazans and to make terrorist Israel look good by comparison.
No stand down order, no breaches of the fence. No breaches of the fence, no dead Israeli citizens. No dead Israeli citizens, no justification for yet another murderous rampage.
Ergo, Israel willfully sacrificed a thousand people so that they could FALSELY CLAIM their slaughter of Palestinians is done in self-defense.
If Hamas was created by Israel, consider the possibility Hamas was created to misrepresent Gazans, and to act in ways that give Israel the pretenses to destroy and plunder Gaza.
Is there evidence Israel has done such things? Yes, plenty. Books on Israeli terrorism: these books establish the pattern.
Rise & Kill First
Ronen Bergman
Israels Sacred Terrorism
Livia Rokach
Hidden History of Zionism
Ralph Schoenman
Ben Gurion's Scandals: How the Haganah & the Mossad Eliminated Jews
Naeim Giladi
State of Terror
Thom Suarez
The IDF's fence was more instrumented, monitored and patrolled than probably any other concentration camp anywhere, ever. FIFTEEN breeches, explosives, trucks driving through... On every other day, if a dog touched the fence snipers would be alerted and jeeps dispatched.
The IDF stood down for seven hours. Israeli's who served that duty, securing the concentration camp barrier, are objecting and concluding there must have been a stand down order:
Ronen Bergman’s book Rise & Kill First documents Israeli covert control over nominally Arab or Lebanese Terrorist groups in Lebanon. Bergman claims these groups were committing so many terrorists acts that they were a large fraction of planetary terrorism.
And Ostrovsky, in By Way of Deception, claims Israel was running the terrorist group that hijacked the Achille Lauro and killed Leon Klinghoffer.
With this as background, and with knowledge of Israel’s creation of and support for Hamas, is there a chance Israel pulled the strings on this Hamas attack? After all, wasn’t Israel always doing these remote control, false-flag, terrorist operations for political gain, to discredit Israel’s victims, to turn those victims into (apparent but not real) aggressors and thereby give Israel pretense to commit more massacres and more ethnic cleansings and more unrestrained violence all the while pretending to be victims?
Conpare the Swiss Cheese of the West Bank to integral Gaza. THAT is probably why Gazans vote for Hamas. They fight back as is their right as victims of a brutal, sadistic, decades old organization.
Palestinian rockets, at least the Qassam variety, have no warheads or guidance systems. They fall to earth as inert, empty metal tubes. All Iron Dumb does is change the shape of the empty metal tubes.
But western audiences, when they hear about Palestinian rockets, think of REAL rockets with warheads and enough accuracy to hit something. They don’t know the truth that you’d have to be accidentally struck by one to be injured.
Since 2001, Palestinians have launched a total of 36,000 projectiles at Israel and these have killed a total of 59 people. Israel, with one thousand pound bomb, can kill ten times as many with one strike.
So, under what circumstances do Gazans launch missiles at Israel? Glad you asked.
This gives a different impression than you get from Zionist media in the US. According to western press, it is ALWAYS the Palestinians starting a fight for no reason, or just because they hate the Jews and that is all they think about all day. But the truth is the opposite:
So, according to your initial statement, since there are still Jews today, the Nazis must NOT have intended to commit genocide or they didn’t really try. That is nonsense.
Israel IS committing textbook genocide today, now, this minute. And US forces are not just watching it, they are aiding and abetting it. All our Founders must be puking, if it is possible to puke in the afterlife. All the ghosts of the 34 sailor murdered in the Israeli attack on the USS Liberty are trying to communicate with whoever is running those carrier battle groups. I hope they succeed.
The Hamas Charter spells out their war on the Jews (not just Israelis). Mahmoud Abbas pays his people to kill Jews (not just Israelis). The Palestinian schools and mosques openly teach that killing Jews (not just Israelis) is virtuous.
So yes, actually they DO "hate the Jews" - not just Israelis.
And they apparently think about it a lot. Hamas spent TWO YEARS planning how to rape and torture and dismember the maximum number of Jewish women and kids. Especially the kids. That's not from "Zionist media", that's in the Hamas public statements that you can't be bothered to read.
Your genocide comparisons are nothing but unthinking regurgitations of leftist talking points that ignore reality, history and international law. I'm not going to bother answering the whole lot.
But I find your long-winded defense of 36,000 Hamas rockets especially insulting to the intelligent reader.
Firing rockets at civilian population centers rather than at military combatants is a war crime. It doesn't matter what quality the missiles are.
Firing rockets while using civilians as human shields is ALSO a war crime. It doesn't matter what the excuses are.
In the entire history of Hamas, fewer Israelis were killed than Israel slaughters with a SINGLE thousand lb. bomb. And those fall like rain on Gaza, flavored with white-phosphorus on SCHOOL CHILDREN.
Decade after decade, Gazans kept in a cage and used test weapons, which loathsome Israel then markets as “battle tested.”
Israel is a moral abomination. If there is anything worse than being tortured into writing a genocidal hatred, it is PERFORMING A GENOCIDE while pretending it is self-defense.
Netanyahu allied himself with the extremist settler types in Israel to get elected. Here is what those settler types in the far right believe.
There are more sources than this.
The far right wants ALL the land, none of the natives and what they loathe most of all is the notion of any non-Jewish entity having ANY political or territorial sovereignty over a single square centimeter of Palestine.
Sorry. He doesn’t. He forced the mRNA jabs on all of them. And on October 7th, he almost certainly ordered the IDF stand down for 7 hours in order to create enough casualties to justify yet another paroxysm of slaughter in Gaza. This is the way Israel and Netanyahu works. NOT like some Israeli tourism commercial which seems like where you got your views.
No stand down order, no breaches of the fence. No breaches of the fence, no dead Israeli citizens. No dead Israeli citizens, no justification for yet another murderous rampage.
Ergo, Israel willfully sacrificed a thousand people so that they could FALSELY CLAIM their premeditated slaughter of Palestinians is done in self-defense.
If Hamas was created by Israel, consider the possibility Hamas was created to misrepresent Gazans, and to act in ways that give Israel the pretenses to destroy and plunder Gaza.
Is there evidence Israel has done such things? Yes, plenty. Books on Israeli terrorism: these books establish the pattern.
Rise & Kill First
Ronen Bergman
Israels Sacred Terrorism
Livia Rokach
Hidden History of Zionism
Ralph Schoenman
Ben Gurion's Scandals: How the Haganah & the Mossad Eliminated Jews
Naeim Giladi
State of Terror
Thom Suarez
The IDF's fence was more instrumented, monitored and patrolled than probably any other concentration camp fence anywhere, ever. FIFTEEN breeches, explosives, trucks driving through... On any other day, if a dog touched the fence snipers would be alerted and jeeps dispatched.
The IDF stood down for seven hours. Israeli's who served that duty, securing the concentration camp barrier, are objecting and concluding there must have been a stand down order:
Ronen Bergman’s book Rise & Kill First documents Israeli covert control over nominally Arab or Lebanese Terrorist groups in Lebanon. Bergman claims these groups were committing so many terrorists acts that they were a large fraction of planetary terrorism.
And Ostrovsky, in By Way of Deception, claims Israel was running the terrorist group that hijacked the Achille Lauro and killed Leon Klinghoffer.
With this as background, and with knowledge of Israel’s creation of and support for Hamas, is there a chance Israel pulled the strings on this Hamas attack? After all, wasn’t Israel always doing these remote control, false-flag, terrorist operations for political gain, to discredit Israel’s victims, to turn those victims into (apparent but not real) aggressors and thereby give Israel pretense to commit more massacres and more ethnic cleansings and more unrestrained violence all the while pretending to be victims?
If you own and control enough media, you can easily deceive the western world and have them clamoring, as after 9/11, for brutal vengeance against countries actually innocent of the accusations. And if there is no hell, they will get cleanly away with it because brainwashed people think they are acting justly and righteously when they are actually murdering innocents while serving masterful liars like Benjamin Netanyahu.
Lying to Americans to get them to pay for the mass-slaughter of Gazan’s is second nature to Netanyahu. Getting the US to attack countries Israel doesn’t like, such as Iran, has been been going on for decades with great success. Americans need to wake up to the way they’ve been lied to by Netanyahu and used by Israel to do their dirty deeds against all other states in the region.
There were large Jewish communities and Christian communities in Iran long before Muhammad was born, nearly all of which have either been driven out, or killed off over the centuries since Islam invaded. The small remnants are treated as slaves 'til they too are killed off. The notion that Israel formed Hamas would be as repugnant to Muslims as to Jews . You may somewhat grasp politics, but you really have no clue to the situation here: it's a spiritual war, started by a very badly handled domestic situation,which has been ongoing since long before Christ lived among us or Muhammad did. Yes politics comes in somewhat now, but it's not the basis, as you suggest. You might want to actually read the Torah and Quran, just for understanding of the roots here. I don't believe Netanyahu is especially religious, but he cares about his fellow citizens, Socialist FDR, and globalist GWB did not, and DID allow the murders of thousands of Americans for political reasons. Neither warned people in the target areas as IDF / IAF have done regularly. That's NOT the act of a gov't seeking political points in some attack.
Mark my words, the greatest recruiter for Christianity is Muhammad. It is easy for muslims to gloss over what he did until they can see him for themselves and all the others from history too. Impossible? I remember a story of men in the UK running screaming out of a sewer having seen "Ghosts of Roman soldiers marching along up to their chests in the sewage water". This was of course hilarious for the local newspaper that published the story but it wasn't so funny for a local historian who thought this all sounded terribly familiar. He looked back through the newspapers from years ago and sure enough he found they virtually same story from 120 years before soon after the sewer had been built. He also found that the sewer had been built on an old Roman road and then covered over and built on and that from the plans that average height Roman soldiers marching on that road 2,000 years before would indeed have been seen today up to their chests in the sewage water. You see what we see by accident today and 120 years ago we can learn to see any time we want and that means anyone from any time in the past, all their crimes there for us to see and all their sacrifices for us too and not a camera in sight because this whole multiverse is God's camera of our deeds good and bad. Why is it said that ghosts can't cross flowing water? But maybe they can be more easily seen if they are walking with the water flow. Of course there are Christian and Jewish religious echoes in this story as in Revelations a crystal clear spring of water came out from God's throne with an identical tree for the healing of the nations on either bank of the stream, a more clear description of a mirror it would be hard to find. Let us make them in our image, ........ did God use a mirror to create everything? ;o) Also as God says in the torah and in the Bible he will rub faeces in the faces of those who do not follow his laws as the occupiers of Palestine clearly do not. So yes Mohammad will be Christ's greatest recruiter. There is one religion at the end of time and an electo-magnetic-spin mirrored reality has no need of time to create everything you see around you by simply enfolding that simple dimensionless and yet five dimensional concept over and over again. As Christ said he will give him that overcomes the morning star, Venus, Lucifer and from Earth we see why they used a pentagram to worship that star in ancient times. In other words you aren't thinking of the bigger picture as God always does. We are not fit to judge other people only the Son of Man is ........ https://youtu.be/qWwOrUjFOFY
Note that Jews in Yemen at one point in history were made to wear a rope around their neck in ordered to be hanged....for whatever offence, fabricated or not.
Who instructed Hamas to slaughter, dismember, rape, burn Israelis alive - and film themselves doing it? The Israelis - so they could accuse them of atrocities! Poor Hamas.
Who forced the Gazans to celebrate that bloodshed, cheer for the terrorists, and torment the hostages - again, filming themselves in real-time? The Israelis - so they could accuse them of supporting Hamas! Poor Gazans.
Who told Iran to chant "DEATH TO ISRAEL" and threaten the world with nuclear weapons? The Israelis - so they could attack Iran and start WW3! Poor Iran.
Well, of course. Those horrid Jewish colonizers are up to the same tricks they pulled 2000 years ago. How else did they seize Judea from the Palestinians?
And yet for all that, you are "Not Against Israel".
If a people is routinely oppressed, most normal people eventually turn violent if there is no room for the voice, for the value of their lives. We must always be able to critique a nation state without being against the people who live there. Of course it would be good if we could all aspire to Christ.
this convinced me that you are not worth reading. You somehow have missed the memo that Hamas and Israel are fighting a proxy war for the genocidal globalist bankers. Or you are trying to stir up false flags. Goodbye
The previous comment said what needs to be said. It is a clear fact that Israel, under Netanyahu, implemented a deliberate policy of providing support for the terrorist group Hamas. On Oct. 8th, the day after “Black Saturday’, The Times of Israel headline read: “For years, Netanyahu propped up Hamas. Now it’s blown up in our faces.”
The idea was to divide power between the Gaza Strip under Hamas and the West Bank under the Palestinian Authority. In 2015, MK Bezalel Smotrich, said that maintaining the separation between the 2 Palestinian factions would prevent the establishment of a Palestinian state.
Our “leaders” are in a death cult. They want to keep us fearful and without hope which we do by perpetuating tribal traumas. Although my father's family died in the holocaust, he never taught us hate.
Humans must wake up to the evil that exists. The world is locked in a spiritual battle for our souls, and it has nothing to do with being against a specific religion. Our great work is to cultivate a peaceful heart. Like any great work, no one said it would be easy.
Hamas obliterated the Palestinian Authority once Israel left Gaza. Palestinian Authority members were given 2 choices: join Hamas or be murdered by Hamas. Had nothing to do with Netanyahu.
Because a group that they can shape and control to make Gazans look bad and make themselves look good (good luck with that) is infinitely more useful to them then a popular, secular group like the PLO.
Until it is acknowledged that Hamas-like ideologies are created, funded, nurtured by our ruling class Intel agencies in order to create chaos that is used to further divide and conquer us all, you are talking in the breeze. Just one person's opinion.
I have posted the following elsewhere and repeatedly.... and will likely continue to do so ... Please take what you like and leave the rest...
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MONEY HAS REPLACED HUMAN VALUES
"It is no measure of health to be well adjusted to a profoundly sick society."
~ Krishnamurti
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"We are faced with a breakdown of general social order and human values that threatens stability [and survival] throughout the world. Existing knowledge cannot meet this challenge. Something much deeper is needed, a completely new approach. I am suggesting that the very means by which we try to solve our problems is the problem. The source of our problems is within the structure of thought itself."
~ David Bohm (1981)
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NOTHING will change fundamentally, until we fundamentally change the way we perceive and treat children. Until then, we will continue to see childhood adversity re-enacted upon EVERY aspect of society.
Furthermore, #childhood #adversity more often than not consists of imposing utterly INSANE societal standards of "normalcy" on children, to which they MUST conform, in order to survive, at a time when they are too young to understand and reject the madness being imposed on them.
The "masses" are essentially clueless and unaware of their own conditioning...
“The total neglect or trivialization of the childhood factor operative in the context of violence and the way it evolves in early infancy sometimes leads to explanations that are not only unconvincing and abortive but actively deflect attention away from the genuine roots of violence."
Paul Valery declared “War is a place where young people who don’t know each other kill each other, based on decisions made by old people, who know each other and hate each other, but don’t kill each other.”
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Harry Patch, last surviving soldier of WW2, who died in 2009, bravely said “War is organised murder and nothing else”.
Etana, I continue to pray for the people of Israel and the peaceful innocents in Gaza.
Thank you for educating many not familiar with the intent of the Hamas slogan seen at protests across this world.
I for the life of me cannot understand how people ignore the atrocities that occurred on October 7th and through out history. It truly is the face of evil.
Why did Israel allow Hamas to pour across the border on flying mopeds? Hamas and Haezbollah are creations of Israel and the CIA! This is a charade! Stop the killing, all of you!
I agree. This has now entered the realm of the absurd and no amount of analysis will unravel it for us to understand.
This became apparent when Netanyahu's government inplemented the mass vaccination of Israeli citizens. Israel commited suicide.....no reason to fight for their survival anymore.
So this latest event must be some theater of some sort - shock and awe. And blood sacrifice.
In Israel, the real Jewish people are burning the cultist Israeli flag beginning with the cultist symbolic Star of David in the center, that is a clear message that the true Jewish people KNOW the truth that they have been hijacked by a 1948 Zionist imposter cult hiding behind the Bible who have zero history connected with true ancient Jewish prophecy.
Yes... we are indeed living in super bizarre times. I would not like to be a Jewish person anywhere in the world at the moment. Not whilst the entire world's media is openly promoting anti-Jewish sentiment. It's almost as though they wish to finish what Hitler started! Seriously scary stuff! BUT... that said.... the question MUST be asked.... how was it even possible for hundreds of Hamas assailants to enter Israel via one of "THE most highly protected and guarded borders in the world"... and execute their wanton bloodshed "totally unhindered for a full 7 hours" ? How was that even possible? Did the Israeli government sacrifice 1,400 of its own people in order to move into Gaza?
A passport on the ashes of the twin tower, how is that possible? A 'virus' leaked out a lab how is that possible? Tell an idiotic story and it seems everything is possible. They learned well from Hitler : if you lie do come with small ones, create big lies.
“...the entire world’s media promoting anti-Jewish sentiment...” ??? What planet are you living on? This is earth. Western media carries Zionist water, sings Israel’s praises 24/7/365, urges every Zionist-schemed war, and NEVER tells audiences the ugly truth about Israel’s use of terrorism from its birth to today.
I don’t have a TV. And after listening to NPR for years, after the pharmaganda they reported during COVID, I turned that off and never turned it back on.
I’d be stunned if any truth about Palestine, Israeli use of terrorism, or about Zionist control of US foreign policy ever leaked onto an American network television broadcast.
Yeah I agree. That’s what makes this all quite bizarre… why are they promoting pro-Palestinian/Hamas narratives? I’m fully aware that mainstream news networks are almost exclusively owned and operated through Jewish interest. BTW: I haven’t owned a TV for around 25 years. The only reason I ever observe mainstream news, is to see what the enemy is up to via its propaganda.
An obvious false flag. And you, oh sage, have the knowledge that permits you to identify it as such. Where were you before the false flag operation kicked off?
Don’t know how to break this to you but Palestinians are genuine semites. Ashkenaz was son of Japheth, not Shem, so Israel has attempted identity theft every time they accuse someone of antisemitism.
This has nothing whatever to do with the attack by Hamas on Israeli civilians. Interesting that none of the wise pundits commenting here have much to say about Iran's putting Hamas up to terror. It must be reassuring to tell yourself that Israel deserved this. That way your can sit on your butt and eat popcorn while you watch the carnage.
“Imagine if Europe and Israel were flooded with masses of people actively cheering Al-Queda on 9/11 the day it happened, and in the days following, as America buried their dead.” I was there in Europe and this imagined scenario actually played out in the streets of Muslim ghettos and the surrounding areas, where cars filled with Arabs waving the Palestinian flag and cheering while honking their horns and being as loud and as intimidating as possible. The message was quite clear: “You’re next you infidel dog!”
Or possibly they were glad to see someone take a dose of their own medicine. And to think some people still don’t know 911 was US against US in support of Islamaphobia in order to continue the fake 1948 “Israel” satanic agenda.
The West is next. Amazing the number of people that do not understand, may they be the first to feel the wrath of these people that they think so highly of. These are the same type people that took issue w/the movie The Sound of Freedom, they are just as warped as Hamas.
Of course we’re next. They’ve let military aged men pour across our borders by the millions! What could possibly happen? At least most folks in the US are armed. Wouldn’t like to stand against an army though.
Terrible analysis. Not all Palestinians are Hamas. Hamas was created by the Israeli state. Israel permitted the terrorists to escape and slaughter Israelis. Don't you know that the security Israel has is so advanced, that a mouse couldn't escape without their permission and they know what's going on in Gaza. This is psych-op to give the colonizers their wish, to destroy the indigenous people. Don't follow the herd. Look more deeply. Israel has treated the Palestinians in the most horrid way for generations. I am not against Israel. I just want to see a sane solution that won't take us into WWIII.
Once Iran is attacked, Russia will come in, and then no one knows how much it will expand. Genocide should never be a solution for anything. Go against the grain. War is never a solution. Both sides are pawns in the game: https://davidicke.com/.../david-icke-whats-really.../
Not all Palestinians are even muslim. There are Christians too, and they are persecuted terribly, barely able to scratch out a living.
Wage peace.
Yes, Palestinian Christians are in a desperate situation, ever since the PA took over and instituted Sharia law. Those who were able to leave have left. Those who can't leave can only dream of the freedom and prosperity the Israeli Arab Christians have.
Actually, the only Middle Eastern country where the Christian community is growing, instead of shrinking, is Israel. Check the stats.
Our friends are christians in Bethlehem.
Their situation is stark. Thank you for sharing.
You need to visit them sometime and see first-hand what Dhimmitude is like.
Coptic Christians are rarely mentioned. I am half Jewish, born in a Sufi commune, lover of Christ consciousness.
All by design. Another reason to eschew mainstream narratives. Thank you for sharing.
No, but ALL ARE jihadist of 1 or more types among the 8. Their ideology requires that of them. Soin1 way or another every practitioner of Islam is working to bring about the caliphate and destruction of ALL other belief systems, and governing systems. Evil finds a way, when it chooses to. Israelis did not choose this "Palestinians Muslims" did, and Muslims have been choosing it wherever they are for nearly 1400 yrs, since Muhammad dreamed it up.
How long has there been a Jewish community in Iran? If Iranians were going to destroy this competing belief system, it sure is taking them a loooooong time.
Honestly, Israel likely told Hamas what to put in their charter because Hamas was created to misrepresent Gazans and to make terrorist Israel look good by comparison.
No stand down order, no breaches of the fence. No breaches of the fence, no dead Israeli citizens. No dead Israeli citizens, no justification for yet another murderous rampage.
Ergo, Israel willfully sacrificed a thousand people so that they could FALSELY CLAIM their slaughter of Palestinians is done in self-defense.
If Hamas was created by Israel, consider the possibility Hamas was created to misrepresent Gazans, and to act in ways that give Israel the pretenses to destroy and plunder Gaza.
Is there evidence Israel has done such things? Yes, plenty. Books on Israeli terrorism: these books establish the pattern.
Rise & Kill First
Ronen Bergman
Israels Sacred Terrorism
Livia Rokach
Hidden History of Zionism
Ralph Schoenman
Ben Gurion's Scandals: How the Haganah & the Mossad Eliminated Jews
Naeim Giladi
State of Terror
Thom Suarez
The IDF's fence was more instrumented, monitored and patrolled than probably any other concentration camp anywhere, ever. FIFTEEN breeches, explosives, trucks driving through... On every other day, if a dog touched the fence snipers would be alerted and jeeps dispatched.
The IDF stood down for seven hours. Israeli's who served that duty, securing the concentration camp barrier, are objecting and concluding there must have been a stand down order:
https://www.globalresearch.ca/speculation-mark-hamas-attack-allowed-close-book-palestine/5836029
Consider a previous example of remarkable timing.
Netanyahu threatens France because they were considering recognition of Palestinian statehood.
https://www.dawn.com/news/1146512
Then, look at the tsunami of terrorism that began in France immediately after his threat:
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-33288542
Ronen Bergman’s book Rise & Kill First documents Israeli covert control over nominally Arab or Lebanese Terrorist groups in Lebanon. Bergman claims these groups were committing so many terrorists acts that they were a large fraction of planetary terrorism.
And Ostrovsky, in By Way of Deception, claims Israel was running the terrorist group that hijacked the Achille Lauro and killed Leon Klinghoffer.
With this as background, and with knowledge of Israel’s creation of and support for Hamas, is there a chance Israel pulled the strings on this Hamas attack? After all, wasn’t Israel always doing these remote control, false-flag, terrorist operations for political gain, to discredit Israel’s victims, to turn those victims into (apparent but not real) aggressors and thereby give Israel pretense to commit more massacres and more ethnic cleansings and more unrestrained violence all the while pretending to be victims?
If Israel wanted to destroy Gaza, it would have happened when the rockets started raining down on Israeli civilians. Do you even know when that was?
2001.
And if "Hamas was created to misrepresent Gazans," the majority of Gazans would NOT have voted for Hamas in 2006.
BTW Hamas was created before Gaza was created, in 1988... and its charter identifies it as a branch of the Muslim Brotherhood (est. 1922 in Egypt).
But don't let pesky facts get in the way of your Israeli-conspiracy delusions
Conpare the Swiss Cheese of the West Bank to integral Gaza. THAT is probably why Gazans vote for Hamas. They fight back as is their right as victims of a brutal, sadistic, decades old organization.
Palestinian rockets, at least the Qassam variety, have no warheads or guidance systems. They fall to earth as inert, empty metal tubes. All Iron Dumb does is change the shape of the empty metal tubes.
But western audiences, when they hear about Palestinian rockets, think of REAL rockets with warheads and enough accuracy to hit something. They don’t know the truth that you’d have to be accidentally struck by one to be injured.
Since 2001, Palestinians have launched a total of 36,000 projectiles at Israel and these have killed a total of 59 people. Israel, with one thousand pound bomb, can kill ten times as many with one strike.
So, under what circumstances do Gazans launch missiles at Israel? Glad you asked.
This gives a different impression than you get from Zionist media in the US. According to western press, it is ALWAYS the Palestinians starting a fight for no reason, or just because they hate the Jews and that is all they think about all day. But the truth is the opposite:
https://www.huffpost.com/entry/reigniting-violence-how-d_b_155611
So, according to your initial statement, since there are still Jews today, the Nazis must NOT have intended to commit genocide or they didn’t really try. That is nonsense.
Israel IS committing textbook genocide today, now, this minute. And US forces are not just watching it, they are aiding and abetting it. All our Founders must be puking, if it is possible to puke in the afterlife. All the ghosts of the 34 sailor murdered in the Israeli attack on the USS Liberty are trying to communicate with whoever is running those carrier battle groups. I hope they succeed.
What parallel universe do you live in?
The Hamas Charter spells out their war on the Jews (not just Israelis). Mahmoud Abbas pays his people to kill Jews (not just Israelis). The Palestinian schools and mosques openly teach that killing Jews (not just Israelis) is virtuous.
So yes, actually they DO "hate the Jews" - not just Israelis.
And they apparently think about it a lot. Hamas spent TWO YEARS planning how to rape and torture and dismember the maximum number of Jewish women and kids. Especially the kids. That's not from "Zionist media", that's in the Hamas public statements that you can't be bothered to read.
Your genocide comparisons are nothing but unthinking regurgitations of leftist talking points that ignore reality, history and international law. I'm not going to bother answering the whole lot.
But I find your long-winded defense of 36,000 Hamas rockets especially insulting to the intelligent reader.
Firing rockets at civilian population centers rather than at military combatants is a war crime. It doesn't matter what quality the missiles are.
Firing rockets while using civilians as human shields is ALSO a war crime. It doesn't matter what the excuses are.
Yes, what about Hamas rockets?
They have no warheads or guidance systems. They fall to earth as inert metal tubes. Capable of taking out a window air conditioner.
Under what circumstances were they fired? Read this:
https://www.huffpost.com/entry/reigniting-violence-how-d_b_155611
In the entire history of Hamas, fewer Israelis were killed than Israel slaughters with a SINGLE thousand lb. bomb. And those fall like rain on Gaza, flavored with white-phosphorus on SCHOOL CHILDREN.
Decade after decade, Gazans kept in a cage and used test weapons, which loathsome Israel then markets as “battle tested.”
Israel is a moral abomination. If there is anything worse than being tortured into writing a genocidal hatred, it is PERFORMING A GENOCIDE while pretending it is self-defense.
Netanyahu allied himself with the extremist settler types in Israel to get elected. Here is what those settler types in the far right believe.
There are more sources than this.
The far right wants ALL the land, none of the natives and what they loathe most of all is the notion of any non-Jewish entity having ANY political or territorial sovereignty over a single square centimeter of Palestine.
https://mondoweiss.net/2019/04/israeli-military-praising/
“Netanyahu cares about his fellow citizens.”
Sorry. He doesn’t. He forced the mRNA jabs on all of them. And on October 7th, he almost certainly ordered the IDF stand down for 7 hours in order to create enough casualties to justify yet another paroxysm of slaughter in Gaza. This is the way Israel and Netanyahu works. NOT like some Israeli tourism commercial which seems like where you got your views.
No stand down order, no breaches of the fence. No breaches of the fence, no dead Israeli citizens. No dead Israeli citizens, no justification for yet another murderous rampage.
Ergo, Israel willfully sacrificed a thousand people so that they could FALSELY CLAIM their premeditated slaughter of Palestinians is done in self-defense.
If Hamas was created by Israel, consider the possibility Hamas was created to misrepresent Gazans, and to act in ways that give Israel the pretenses to destroy and plunder Gaza.
Is there evidence Israel has done such things? Yes, plenty. Books on Israeli terrorism: these books establish the pattern.
Rise & Kill First
Ronen Bergman
Israels Sacred Terrorism
Livia Rokach
Hidden History of Zionism
Ralph Schoenman
Ben Gurion's Scandals: How the Haganah & the Mossad Eliminated Jews
Naeim Giladi
State of Terror
Thom Suarez
The IDF's fence was more instrumented, monitored and patrolled than probably any other concentration camp fence anywhere, ever. FIFTEEN breeches, explosives, trucks driving through... On any other day, if a dog touched the fence snipers would be alerted and jeeps dispatched.
The IDF stood down for seven hours. Israeli's who served that duty, securing the concentration camp barrier, are objecting and concluding there must have been a stand down order:
https://www.globalresearch.ca/speculation-mark-hamas-attack-allowed-close-book-palestine/5836029
Consider a previous example of remarkable timing.
Netanyahu threatens France because they were considering recognition of Palestinian statehood.
https://www.dawn.com/news/1146512
Then, look at the tsunami of terrorism that began in France immediately after his threat:
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-33288542
Ronen Bergman’s book Rise & Kill First documents Israeli covert control over nominally Arab or Lebanese Terrorist groups in Lebanon. Bergman claims these groups were committing so many terrorists acts that they were a large fraction of planetary terrorism.
And Ostrovsky, in By Way of Deception, claims Israel was running the terrorist group that hijacked the Achille Lauro and killed Leon Klinghoffer.
With this as background, and with knowledge of Israel’s creation of and support for Hamas, is there a chance Israel pulled the strings on this Hamas attack? After all, wasn’t Israel always doing these remote control, false-flag, terrorist operations for political gain, to discredit Israel’s victims, to turn those victims into (apparent but not real) aggressors and thereby give Israel pretense to commit more massacres and more ethnic cleansings and more unrestrained violence all the while pretending to be victims?
If you own and control enough media, you can easily deceive the western world and have them clamoring, as after 9/11, for brutal vengeance against countries actually innocent of the accusations. And if there is no hell, they will get cleanly away with it because brainwashed people think they are acting justly and righteously when they are actually murdering innocents while serving masterful liars like Benjamin Netanyahu.
Lying to Americans to get them to pay for the mass-slaughter of Gazan’s is second nature to Netanyahu. Getting the US to attack countries Israel doesn’t like, such as Iran, has been been going on for decades with great success. Americans need to wake up to the way they’ve been lied to by Netanyahu and used by Israel to do their dirty deeds against all other states in the region.
There were large Jewish communities and Christian communities in Iran long before Muhammad was born, nearly all of which have either been driven out, or killed off over the centuries since Islam invaded. The small remnants are treated as slaves 'til they too are killed off. The notion that Israel formed Hamas would be as repugnant to Muslims as to Jews . You may somewhat grasp politics, but you really have no clue to the situation here: it's a spiritual war, started by a very badly handled domestic situation,which has been ongoing since long before Christ lived among us or Muhammad did. Yes politics comes in somewhat now, but it's not the basis, as you suggest. You might want to actually read the Torah and Quran, just for understanding of the roots here. I don't believe Netanyahu is especially religious, but he cares about his fellow citizens, Socialist FDR, and globalist GWB did not, and DID allow the murders of thousands of Americans for political reasons. Neither warned people in the target areas as IDF / IAF have done regularly. That's NOT the act of a gov't seeking political points in some attack.
Mark my words, the greatest recruiter for Christianity is Muhammad. It is easy for muslims to gloss over what he did until they can see him for themselves and all the others from history too. Impossible? I remember a story of men in the UK running screaming out of a sewer having seen "Ghosts of Roman soldiers marching along up to their chests in the sewage water". This was of course hilarious for the local newspaper that published the story but it wasn't so funny for a local historian who thought this all sounded terribly familiar. He looked back through the newspapers from years ago and sure enough he found they virtually same story from 120 years before soon after the sewer had been built. He also found that the sewer had been built on an old Roman road and then covered over and built on and that from the plans that average height Roman soldiers marching on that road 2,000 years before would indeed have been seen today up to their chests in the sewage water. You see what we see by accident today and 120 years ago we can learn to see any time we want and that means anyone from any time in the past, all their crimes there for us to see and all their sacrifices for us too and not a camera in sight because this whole multiverse is God's camera of our deeds good and bad. Why is it said that ghosts can't cross flowing water? But maybe they can be more easily seen if they are walking with the water flow. Of course there are Christian and Jewish religious echoes in this story as in Revelations a crystal clear spring of water came out from God's throne with an identical tree for the healing of the nations on either bank of the stream, a more clear description of a mirror it would be hard to find. Let us make them in our image, ........ did God use a mirror to create everything? ;o) Also as God says in the torah and in the Bible he will rub faeces in the faces of those who do not follow his laws as the occupiers of Palestine clearly do not. So yes Mohammad will be Christ's greatest recruiter. There is one religion at the end of time and an electo-magnetic-spin mirrored reality has no need of time to create everything you see around you by simply enfolding that simple dimensionless and yet five dimensional concept over and over again. As Christ said he will give him that overcomes the morning star, Venus, Lucifer and from Earth we see why they used a pentagram to worship that star in ancient times. In other words you aren't thinking of the bigger picture as God always does. We are not fit to judge other people only the Son of Man is ........ https://youtu.be/qWwOrUjFOFY
Note that Jews in Yemen at one point in history were made to wear a rope around their neck in ordered to be hanged....for whatever offence, fabricated or not.
I had not heard that particular, but it's no surprise to me.
Weel, im glad you took the time to explain it. I gave up after realising how pointless it would be.
That isn't what she is writing about. A straw man argument gets us nowhere.
Sure, I get it.
Who instructed Hamas to slaughter, dismember, rape, burn Israelis alive - and film themselves doing it? The Israelis - so they could accuse them of atrocities! Poor Hamas.
Who forced the Gazans to celebrate that bloodshed, cheer for the terrorists, and torment the hostages - again, filming themselves in real-time? The Israelis - so they could accuse them of supporting Hamas! Poor Gazans.
Who told Iran to chant "DEATH TO ISRAEL" and threaten the world with nuclear weapons? The Israelis - so they could attack Iran and start WW3! Poor Iran.
Well, of course. Those horrid Jewish colonizers are up to the same tricks they pulled 2000 years ago. How else did they seize Judea from the Palestinians?
And yet for all that, you are "Not Against Israel".
Talk about a terrible analysis....
If a people is routinely oppressed, most normal people eventually turn violent if there is no room for the voice, for the value of their lives. We must always be able to critique a nation state without being against the people who live there. Of course it would be good if we could all aspire to Christ.
this convinced me that you are not worth reading. You somehow have missed the memo that Hamas and Israel are fighting a proxy war for the genocidal globalist bankers. Or you are trying to stir up false flags. Goodbye
Agree 100%
The previous comment said what needs to be said. It is a clear fact that Israel, under Netanyahu, implemented a deliberate policy of providing support for the terrorist group Hamas. On Oct. 8th, the day after “Black Saturday’, The Times of Israel headline read: “For years, Netanyahu propped up Hamas. Now it’s blown up in our faces.”
The idea was to divide power between the Gaza Strip under Hamas and the West Bank under the Palestinian Authority. In 2015, MK Bezalel Smotrich, said that maintaining the separation between the 2 Palestinian factions would prevent the establishment of a Palestinian state.
Our “leaders” are in a death cult. They want to keep us fearful and without hope which we do by perpetuating tribal traumas. Although my father's family died in the holocaust, he never taught us hate.
Humans must wake up to the evil that exists. The world is locked in a spiritual battle for our souls, and it has nothing to do with being against a specific religion. Our great work is to cultivate a peaceful heart. Like any great work, no one said it would be easy.
Amen
Hamas obliterated the Palestinian Authority once Israel left Gaza. Palestinian Authority members were given 2 choices: join Hamas or be murdered by Hamas. Had nothing to do with Netanyahu.
If Hamas was created by Israel specifically to weaken Fatah, then this “Hamas or die” thing had everything to do with Israel.
Why would israel swap out one enemy for another?
Because a group that they can shape and control to make Gazans look bad and make themselves look good (good luck with that) is infinitely more useful to them then a popular, secular group like the PLO.
I'm pro-peace and want to know why Mossad seemingly allowed this to happen. Israel appears to be a wound which cannot heal.
The situation was designed not to heal
This from 1947
https://open.substack.com/pub/hsog/p/sir-zafarullah-khans-address?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android&r=1k8fsn
Many borders around the world were designed this way - to always lead to conflicts.
Until it is acknowledged that Hamas-like ideologies are created, funded, nurtured by our ruling class Intel agencies in order to create chaos that is used to further divide and conquer us all, you are talking in the breeze. Just one person's opinion.
You are definitely not the only one. I agree with you 💯
You are so wise Ms. Rogers, and obviously well read, I should add ;-)
This may be of interest:
I have posted the following elsewhere and repeatedly.... and will likely continue to do so ... Please take what you like and leave the rest...
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MONEY HAS REPLACED HUMAN VALUES
"It is no measure of health to be well adjusted to a profoundly sick society."
~ Krishnamurti
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"We are faced with a breakdown of general social order and human values that threatens stability [and survival] throughout the world. Existing knowledge cannot meet this challenge. Something much deeper is needed, a completely new approach. I am suggesting that the very means by which we try to solve our problems is the problem. The source of our problems is within the structure of thought itself."
~ David Bohm (1981)
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NOTHING will change fundamentally, until we fundamentally change the way we perceive and treat children. Until then, we will continue to see childhood adversity re-enacted upon EVERY aspect of society.
Furthermore, #childhood #adversity more often than not consists of imposing utterly INSANE societal standards of "normalcy" on children, to which they MUST conform, in order to survive, at a time when they are too young to understand and reject the madness being imposed on them.
The "masses" are essentially clueless and unaware of their own conditioning...
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Aware Parenting website:
"It is paradoxical, yet true:
Children are the most
in need of loving attention,
when they act the least deserving of it."
~ Aletha Solter
www.awareparenting.com
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“The total neglect or trivialization of the childhood factor operative in the context of violence and the way it evolves in early infancy sometimes leads to explanations that are not only unconvincing and abortive but actively deflect attention away from the genuine roots of violence."
~ Alice Miller
Full article 👇🏼
http://psychohistory.com/articles/the-political-consequences-of-child-abuse/
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THE CHILDREN’S FIRE ...
"What kind of a society is it, that does NOT place the Children's Fire at the very centre of its institutions of power?
It's an INSANE society!"
~ Tim "Mac" Macartney
#TheChildrensFire
Please Watch this Video presentation:
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https://youtu.be/1JchSac-VP0
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Why males are more violent:
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http://psychohistory.com/books/the-origins-of-war-in-child-abuse/chapter-2-why-males-are-more-violent/
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Eric Clopper and Dr Denniston ... #circumcision
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https://youtu.be/HEyTP9mafb4
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Dissolving my vaxxed illusions:
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https://unbekoming.substack.com/p/dissolving-my-vaxxed-illusions?s=r
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The Medical Mafia (2002)
~ Ghislaine Lanctôt
Direct link to PDF file: 👇🏼
https://ia800304.us.archive.org/2/items/TheMedicalMafia/TheMedicalMafia.pdf
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Paul Valery declared “War is a place where young people who don’t know each other kill each other, based on decisions made by old people, who know each other and hate each other, but don’t kill each other.”
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Harry Patch, last surviving soldier of WW2, who died in 2009, bravely said “War is organised murder and nothing else”.
American university campuses are the most demoralized places in the West. I wrote an open letter to trustees about pulling their donations or taking a stand: https://yuribezmenov.substack.com/p/how-to-get-into-harvard-open-letter-to-trustees
I lived in the middle east. I have no idea what you are talking about.
Is it true the odd was told to stand down? By whom? Why was the rave moved so close to the Palestine border? By whom?
Etana, I continue to pray for the people of Israel and the peaceful innocents in Gaza.
Thank you for educating many not familiar with the intent of the Hamas slogan seen at protests across this world.
I for the life of me cannot understand how people ignore the atrocities that occurred on October 7th and through out history. It truly is the face of evil.
I pray for peace in Jerusalem.
Why did Israel allow Hamas to pour across the border on flying mopeds? Hamas and Haezbollah are creations of Israel and the CIA! This is a charade! Stop the killing, all of you!
I agree. This has now entered the realm of the absurd and no amount of analysis will unravel it for us to understand.
This became apparent when Netanyahu's government inplemented the mass vaccination of Israeli citizens. Israel commited suicide.....no reason to fight for their survival anymore.
So this latest event must be some theater of some sort - shock and awe. And blood sacrifice.
The West knows all about the divisiveness of the malthusian crowd:
Sweden overrun
France, Italy (esp. Lampedusa) overrun
The US (Border, BLM, Blue cities) overrun
This is all planned.
In Israel, the real Jewish people are burning the cultist Israeli flag beginning with the cultist symbolic Star of David in the center, that is a clear message that the true Jewish people KNOW the truth that they have been hijacked by a 1948 Zionist imposter cult hiding behind the Bible who have zero history connected with true ancient Jewish prophecy.
Yes... we are indeed living in super bizarre times. I would not like to be a Jewish person anywhere in the world at the moment. Not whilst the entire world's media is openly promoting anti-Jewish sentiment. It's almost as though they wish to finish what Hitler started! Seriously scary stuff! BUT... that said.... the question MUST be asked.... how was it even possible for hundreds of Hamas assailants to enter Israel via one of "THE most highly protected and guarded borders in the world"... and execute their wanton bloodshed "totally unhindered for a full 7 hours" ? How was that even possible? Did the Israeli government sacrifice 1,400 of its own people in order to move into Gaza?
I do believe they did! This is a charade! Reminds me of what happened in Maui. Genocide to promote the New World Order dipshitz
A passport on the ashes of the twin tower, how is that possible? A 'virus' leaked out a lab how is that possible? Tell an idiotic story and it seems everything is possible. They learned well from Hitler : if you lie do come with small ones, create big lies.
“...the entire world’s media promoting anti-Jewish sentiment...” ??? What planet are you living on? This is earth. Western media carries Zionist water, sings Israel’s praises 24/7/365, urges every Zionist-schemed war, and NEVER tells audiences the ugly truth about Israel’s use of terrorism from its birth to today.
Well, they all appear to be leaning towards Hamas and Palestine in their narrative… so you tell me what’s going on.
I don’t have a TV. And after listening to NPR for years, after the pharmaganda they reported during COVID, I turned that off and never turned it back on.
I’d be stunned if any truth about Palestine, Israeli use of terrorism, or about Zionist control of US foreign policy ever leaked onto an American network television broadcast.
Yeah I agree. That’s what makes this all quite bizarre… why are they promoting pro-Palestinian/Hamas narratives? I’m fully aware that mainstream news networks are almost exclusively owned and operated through Jewish interest. BTW: I haven’t owned a TV for around 25 years. The only reason I ever observe mainstream news, is to see what the enemy is up to via its propaganda.
Legitimate questions, indeed.
So Israel creates Hamas, gets it into power, lets it attack civilians...
Yes, yes, and yes and much more evil things.
The anti-semitism this attack seems to have triggered is something I wouldn't have believed if I hadn't seen it. It's truly disgusting.
While there has been some antisemitisms, the reaction has mostly been revulsion at the Zionists howling for genocide after an obvious false flag.
An obvious false flag. And you, oh sage, have the knowledge that permits you to identify it as such. Where were you before the false flag operation kicked off?
Dipshit.
How profound.
Anti semitransparent? Don’t you mean anti Muslim?
As a matter of fact I don't mean that.
Don’t know how to break this to you but Palestinians are genuine semites. Ashkenaz was son of Japheth, not Shem, so Israel has attempted identity theft every time they accuse someone of antisemitism.
This has nothing whatever to do with the attack by Hamas on Israeli civilians. Interesting that none of the wise pundits commenting here have much to say about Iran's putting Hamas up to terror. It must be reassuring to tell yourself that Israel deserved this. That way your can sit on your butt and eat popcorn while you watch the carnage.
That’s all I’ve seen
“Imagine if Europe and Israel were flooded with masses of people actively cheering Al-Queda on 9/11 the day it happened, and in the days following, as America buried their dead.” I was there in Europe and this imagined scenario actually played out in the streets of Muslim ghettos and the surrounding areas, where cars filled with Arabs waving the Palestinian flag and cheering while honking their horns and being as loud and as intimidating as possible. The message was quite clear: “You’re next you infidel dog!”
Or possibly they were glad to see someone take a dose of their own medicine. And to think some people still don’t know 911 was US against US in support of Islamaphobia in order to continue the fake 1948 “Israel” satanic agenda.
Correct.
The West is next. Amazing the number of people that do not understand, may they be the first to feel the wrath of these people that they think so highly of. These are the same type people that took issue w/the movie The Sound of Freedom, they are just as warped as Hamas.
Of course we’re next. They’ve let military aged men pour across our borders by the millions! What could possibly happen? At least most folks in the US are armed. Wouldn’t like to stand against an army though.
Go to a police station after 6pm in Chicago and you will find wall to wall illegal military age men.
You have to understand the real enemy, this is about money and control. The Palestinians and the Israelis are pawns.
All wars are bankers wars
https://open.substack.com/pub/unbekoming/p/understanding-bankers-wars?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android&r=1k8fsn