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I respect your sincerity and depth of feeling and Israel itself. But this situation has to be seen in the context of the rest of the world and the currents driving the past hundred years. I have no doubt that this conflict was ignited by the globalists running the rest of the wars. Their attack on us has been ubiquitous but covert until now but has gone white hot for 3 years. I need not convince your readers about this. And (to me at least) the most stunning aspect of these three years was Israel's cooperation and it's leaders' failure to defend it. Even with their background, they were bribed or threatened into being one of the critical nodes of the worldwide genocide. Lastly, and this is, for me, a weaker point, is your failure to acknowledge the long, dark history of israeli atrocities against the rest. Although I understand your dire need now, denying that it's a murky situation lessens your credibility for sophisticated observers.

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Etana's "credibility" is not on the line, whereas I am in doubt about yours. My most charitable assumption is that you are not yet aware of the vast gulf that just opened up in the double standard of "atrocities" traditionally applied to this conflict.

There is ABSOLUTELY NO Israeli equivalent to catching a pregnant woman, ripping open her belly, pulling out the fetus, and dragging both corpses (still attached by the umbilical cord !!) through the streets while the bystanders cheer and kick them and spit on them.

Any skepticism can be cured by viewing the footage of this and other sickening selfies proudly uploaded by Hamas and 'liked' by their supporters around the world.

And as much as I hate what our government did to us in collaborating with Pfizer, the current situation is light-years away and doesn't even belong in the same conversation.

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Comparing atrocities or meeting violence with more violence never solves things or has gotten humanity anywhere. Most subscribers are here because they seek a larger perspective than dualities or taking sides like a football game. So yes, her "credibility" as one who can hold space for complexity of all involved or behind the scenes motives as been lessened, sadly.

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well my comment so far has generated around 20 likes and yours

I'm not claiming any monopoly on the truth here, though

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Wow

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How do you interpret the following:

"When the Lord your God brings you into the land you are entering to possess, and drives out before you many nations, and you have defeated them, then you must destroy them totally.

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Make no treaty with them and show them no mercy. Do not allow any of them to live.

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This is what you are to do to them: break down their altars, smash their sacred stones, cut down their trees and burn them in the fire.

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For you are a people chosen by the Lord over all others on the face of the earth."

~ Deuteronomy 7: 1-2, 5-6

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HOW does one reconcile belief in such scriptures with peaceful coexistence??

Please don't misconstrue what I am getting at here... Beliefs held and cherished by Hamas are just as bad...

For example...

From the Hamas Charter, Article 13:

"Initiatives, and so-called peaceful solutions and international conferences, are in contradiction to the principles of the Islamic Resistance Movement. Abusing any part of Palestine is abuse directed against part of religion. Nationalism of the Islamic Resistance Movement is part of its religion. Its members have been fed on that. For the sake of hoisting the banner of Allah over their homeland they fight. "Allah will be prominent, but most people do not know."

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How can there EVER be a peaceful solution, while ANYONE holds ANY such beliefs on ANY "side" of ANY conflict???

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The differences are huge and many. For starters:

1- The command in Deuteronomy referred exclusively to some Canaanite tribes that no longer exist. It was carried out by Joshua 3500 years ago, and it's now ancient history. The Hamas Charter, which calls for modern Israel's total destruction, is embraced here and now.

2- Other Torah commands prohibited Israel from making war on the next-door nations Moab and Ammon, so the boundaries were quite strict. Hamas Charter Article 7 declares a global war on the Jews everywhere, not just in Israel. And they quote a well-known Hadith on their duty to "kill the Jews" in order to please their god.

3- Any Jew who applies your Deut. 7 quote to the Palestinians is considered a heretic by nearly all Torah Jews. The Hamas war against the Jews is approved by most Muslim clerics, especially in Iran and Egypt. They all quote the same Hadith that's in the Hamas Charter.

4- The Bible commands Israel to "do justice and love mercy", to follow God and be holy, and possession of the Land depends on obedience. That's why we went into exile. But God in His mercy brought us back again, as He promised. Yet even now we don't demand all the land that was once ours, and we were willing to give some of it up again, for the promise of peace (which never materialized). In contrast, Hamas forbids any kind of peace with Israel or sharing of the Land - as you quoted. That's because the Quran says that when Islamic warriors conquer a land, their god will keep that land Islamic forever. By reclaiming even part of our ancient homeland from the 7th-century Arab colonizers. we have created a credibility crisis for Islam.

It's perplexing that anyone could even think one document is "just as bad" as the other. Anyway, the issue here is sadistic barbarism, not land conquest. Arab attacks on the Jews began long before 1948, at a time when only the Jews were called "Palestinians" (yes, look it up).

Self-defense is a moral right and duty, and our God promises to protect us and fight against our attackers.

Keep that thought in mind over the next weeks. This battle is spiritual, not political.

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Thank you for elaborating with such detail.

I do still wonder what percentage of the Jewish population still believes that they are "chosen above all others on the face of the earth" and how that belief plays into EVERYTHING else going on here... and elsewhere... and not only now, but through the ages.

I have no doubt that this... and many other wars ... have had spiritual undercurrents, AS WELL AS political... although I do make a distinction between spiritual and religious... and I am really not sure which is dominating here.

It's ALL very complex and I personally don't see ANY "good" solution to any of this. NOR do I consider Israel a "victim" here. Everyone has played their "parts" to get us here.... the ONLY genuine victims in all of this are the children on either side.

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Well, let's put it this way.

Every time a sizable portion of the Jewish people decides that we are NOT "chosen out of all the peoples" (the actual Hebrew of Deut. 7 doesn't say "above"), and that we can expect to be treated like everyone else... we get reminded by those who still see us as uniquely worthy of their hatred.

It started way before the Zionist movement, and even today anti-Zionists are not exempt.

What's more, the Jews are told that the moral standards used for everyone else in the world do not apply to Israel.

Tell me of another country that has been absorbing hundreds of thousands of missile strikes for 22 years - from land 1/2 mile away that they gave up for peace - and THEY are the ones blamed whenever they strike back.

Never mind - just name another country under missile attack for 22 years, while the world called it a 'peace process'.

You know what? Just name one other country that tolerated missile attacks from their next-door neighbors for 22 years.

So you see that the world is FULFILLING that statement by God. Whether we want it or not, we are separated out from all the peoples of the world.

But that doesn't mean we are alone.

"Therefore all who devour you will be devoured; and all your adversaries, every one of them, will go into captivity; and those who plunder you will become plunder, and all who plunder you I will turn into plunder. For I will restore you to health and I will heal you of your wounds, declares the LORD, because they have called you an outcast, saying: 'It is Zion; no one cares for her'.”’ (Jer. 30)

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I am just so sick of humans slaughtering each other over organized religious DOGMA and STUPID politics.

The entire species deserves to go extinct. And frankly... I couldn't care less at this point!

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In a nutshell: it's never going to end, because traumatized people WILL perpetuate their trauma all around them in one way or another, some ways more subtle and insidious than others...

Until the end of time...

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I have no problem with your decision to write this passionate article that means so much to you personally.

It made me reflect on why I subscribed to you--your coverage of the CVD jab was and I'm sure still is excellent work.

What I want to know is--when you cover the toxic shots, do you ever write about Israel? I see you do a lot of coverage on the FDA and the CDC--focusing on the U.S. However, Israel bragged about being the most vaxxed nation in the world, and I'm wondering if you've written critically about your own nation on this topic? If so, just point me to a couple of examples in your archive. Thank you.

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Thanks for the question, and I acknowledge that most readers of this substack subscribed for a completely different topic. I have to write what I'm experiencing, and unfortunately the events of the last week have been an existential earthquake that we're only at the beginning of.

Regarding Israel, I left much of that reporting to the Israeli journalists, to whom I linked often and shared their work. Here's an example of one of the few articles I wrote about Israel during COVID insanity - https://etana.substack.com/p/the-israeli-vaccine-that-almost-was

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More than once, I wondered if the vaccine was a covert genocide. I couldn't believe that the populace failed to question its source, lack of testing, etc. ...

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Again, I think you should write about your experiences.

Since you live in Israel, I don’t see why you cannot write about Israel’s medical issues like Covid shots. Your citizenship or lack thereof should not dictate your ability to conduct journalism in Israel.

Could the shots be linked to military personnel brain fog that enabled the attack to occur? IDK

Israel should be criticized as much as the U.S. No country should be treated with kid gloves at this point.

I hope you will consider writing an in-depth expose on Israel’s Covid jab program.

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Etana - I came across a beautiful conversation that I feel is important for all to hear, just to broaden perspective:

https://www.youtube.com/live/yhrKfl6LUiI?si=3JGGHrmlHkh6wVQ_

Alec Zeck and Ihsan Abbas.

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Excellent question!

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One of the biggest shock I have experienced was watching the Israeli government saturate their people with an injectable poison. Of all of people in the world who would be cynical of medical experimenting would/should be the Jews. I am a Messianic Christian and love Israel and the Jewish people and I am deeply saddened by what your government did. Because of that and because of what I experienced in my own country, I cannot put any faith in governments anymore. Oct 7th was our 9/11 and both horrific events may have been allowed to happen as well as an ongoing genocide through Covid and its countermeasure aka “vaccines”.

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Should Israel hammer the whole population as revenge against an evil organization within that population? It strikes me as a neck for an eye. The vast majority of civilians (universally) just want to live their lives. An attack on the general population will draw in other countries against Israel which will only escalate unless the voices of cooler heads rises up. Israel’s counterattack seems more like revenge and genocide (designed to politically boost Netanyahu than a measured response. Blessed are the peacemakers.

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I heard Hamas was created by the Israeli security organization, Mossad - don't know if that 's true but weirder things have happened...

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The article in State of the Nation website reveals the origins of Hamas.

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Yeah, I read something along those lines too, but the CIA hasn’t returned my call to verify the authenticity of that assertion.

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It is not for revenge. It is to make sure this savagery never happens again.

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What kind of savagery is retaliation that includes the starvation of women and children and the carpet bombing of the entire strip of land known as Gaza? Something smells rotten. The Israeli rave moved to the border with Gaza, the lack of intelligence of mossad(unheard of in its history), the fact Israel sold its own to big pharma, early on. Why? Look at the numbers of Israelis injured, dead due to the vaxxes. It is incomprehensible that Hamas was able to obtain the armaments used in this attack without Mossad knowing a thing about mossad’s intentions. It makes no sense.

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According to Israeli News Live, Steven Bnoon he received from his source that this was a false flag Stand Down and it took 8 hours for a response.

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that never has worked- why do you think it would work now?

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Darkness cannot drive out darkness

Only love and light can do that

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Amen 🙏

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Have you seen the Palestinians cheering the deaths of Americans during 9/11? Have you seen the Palestinian people cheer after the incursion and murder of Israelis a week ago? They were giddy!

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Did you see that on MSM?

Did the cameras go into the homes of folks who are trying to stay out of it and just live their everyday lives?

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No, we saw it in 'selfies' uploaded by Hamas and their supporters. It's all over Tiktok, FB, and other Arab-language social media.

MSM won't touch the stuff and they are doing their best to not mention it.

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Of course, like Arab Spring was all over Twitter.

Beware of social media and how it manipulates you.

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What about the Israeli art students that were across the bridge in NJ?

They also cheered.

Norman Finklestein explains the issue well here

https://youtu.be/G12Z0td-Nqo

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First candlelight vigil on 9/11?

Tehran

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No, Israel should not hammer the whole population of Gaza but that is not up to them, it is up to the People of Gaza. It has been clear since Saturday what was coming for hamas and fair warning has been given to the people there to get out while they can. Those who choose to stay are either supporters of hamas, whether willingly or unwillingly, or incredibly dumb. A person could walk from one end of the Gaza strip in a day. It would be a long day and it would suck to uproot your life with no plan for the future but it beats being dead.

Now, I don't know what the IDF is going to do, but I do know hamas is finished and will cease to exist in the coming days. It really is up to the people in Gaza how many of them get killed in the process, the very necessary process, of eliminating hamas to a man. I wish there was a way to avoid civilian casualties but when your enemy places themselves inside the civilian population and more importantly the civilian population doesn't remove themselves from that position, it makes it really difficult.

I sincerely hope it does not take 2.3 million deaths to erase hamas, but I also understand the 2.3 million deaths would be a bargain in comparison to the cost of leaving hamas intact. Every inch of Gaza is within range of Israeli artillery and I suspect what will happen is the ground assault will advance until the come under fire and then that section of Gaza will be pounded to rubble. If you are a civilian and don't support hamas then your best bet is to get away from the sound of the guns. But if you do support hamas, stay right where you are and the Israelis will be delivering you to your "72 virgins" in short order.

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There’s nowhere for 99% of civilians to go. Annihilating everything that moves within a general population resembles a mindset under many ruthless regimes in times past. It may look good on paper and in a vengeful heart, but it can only stir up similar opposing mindsets of the same nature world around. Propaganda is stirring up hatred and war footing. Do you want to be amongst those who’re sucked into it? This is the very intent of those who perpetrated this butcher. And, its also the very intent of our global overlords to orchestrate this to their ends, which is not pretty in any way.

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It’s freaking inhumane. And this planned ‘war’ is just plain stupid.

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They can move into the farm fields and olive groves. There's not much chance of Israel bombing them. The more they move away from hamas, the faster this will be over and the sooner humanitarian aid can arrive.

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Where is that farm field and groves are? They are 2 millions people living there. Hamas are just few thousands and arms, founded by Israel.

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They are literally all over the place. Look at google earth, there are lots of open areas.

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This is Genocide in Plain Sight. Israel is doing exactly what the SS Nazi did to the Jewsish people in the Warsaw Ghetto in the1940s.

Warsaw Ghetto https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Warsaw_Ghetto

https://allthatsinteresting.com/warsaw-ghetto

https://www.history.com/topics/world-war-ii/warsaw-ghetto-uprising

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Watch the comment of Colonel (Res.) Joel Piterberg - IDF Helicopter Pilot at 7:15 and other comments. He is comparing Gaza with the Warsaw Ghetto in WW2.

Refuseniks and Israeli Soldiers speak out 10:30 min

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Ga0s936ldU

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To go where Joe?

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Anywhere they can that isn't near hamas. It would be helpful if they picked up a gun and killed some hamas themselves but the reality is most of the people there support hamas and their deaths while tragic is a net gain for the world.

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You are speaking like the SS Nazi.

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No, I am facing the reality of the situation. hamas exists to exterminate Jews and Israel. It is a fact that most of the people in Gaza support hamas or at minimum do nothing to stop them. Of all the videos I have seen of celebrations of the hamas attacks, the desecration of the dead and the chants of "death to Israel", I have yet to see a single video from Gaza of anyone saying, "This is wrong".

It is a violent ideology and needs to be exterminated. If you can come up with a way to do that which doesn't kill a lot of people the world is waiting for your words of wisdom.

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Well, give them back their lands that was stolen to accomodate the Jewish people in 1948. So it seems that it was not enough for you. Now you want to kill them all like the Nazi did in the Warsaw Ghetto.

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Listen to me Joe Dirt - Somebody like you who promote killing people should not be here on Subsatck.

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Imagine you, all your local relatives, neighbors and their businesses were given 24 hours to up and leave.

Maybe Mr. Rambo Prepper could do it, but most could not, especially the elderly and the infirm.

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I don't have to imagine, I've done it. 16 years ago my area was hit by torrential rain, 7"+ in 3 hours on top of 2 feet of slushy snow. The emergency was declared and everyone was ordered to evacuate before the flood arrived. Localized flooding closed many roads to vehicles and many people were forced to evacuate on foot, many through waist deep water just above freezing. Multiple nursing homes were evacuated and no one was lost during the evacuation.

Sure, it's a different situation, but the only difference that matters is we didn't have terrorists pointing guns at us, telling us we would be shot if we tried to flee the flood, though we would have dealt with that too.

Eradicating hamas ultimately will fall on the people of Gaza. It will be their choice to live or die, Israel has given them the option and that is more than can be expected.

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¨Did you know that Hamas was really created by the Mossad of Israel for the strategic purpose of preventing the creation of a Palestinian state? Thanks to the Mossad, Israel’s “Institute for Intelligence and Special Tasks”, the Hamas was allowed to reinforce its presence in the occupied territories. Meanwhile, Arafat’s Fatah Movement for National Liberation as well as the Palestinian Left were subjected to the most brutal form of repression and intimidation Let us not forget that it was Israel, which in fact created Hamas. According to Zeev Sternell, historian at the Hebrew University of Jerusalem, “Israel thought that it was a smart ploy to push the Islamists against the Palestinian Liberation Organisation (PLO)”. Ahmed Yassin, the spiritual leader of the Islamist movement in Palestine, returning from Cairo in the seventies, established an Islamic charity association. Prime Minister Golda Meir, saw this as a an opportunity to counterbalance the rise of Arafat’s Fatah movement. According to the Israeli weekly Koteret Rashit (October 1987), “The Islamic associations as well as the university had been supported and encouraged by the Israeli military authority” in charge of the (civilian) administration of the West Bank and Gaza. “They [the Islamic associations and the university] were authorized to receive money payments from abroad.” The Islamists set up orphanages and health clinics, as well as a network of schools, workshops which created employment for women as well as system of financial aid to the poor. And in 1978, they created an “Islamic University” in Gaza. “The military authority was convinced that these activities would weaken both the PLO and the leftist organizations in Gaza.” At the end of 1992, there were six hundred mosques in Gaza. Thanks to Israel’s intelligence agency Mossad (Israel’s Institute for Intelligence and Special Tasks), the Islamists were allowed to reinforce their presence in the occupied territories. Meanwhile, the members of Fatah (Movement for the National Liberation of Palestine) and the Palestinian Left were subjected to the most brutal form of repression. In 1984, Ahmed Yassin was arrested and condemned to twelve years in prison, after the discovery of a hidden arms cache. But one year later, he was set free and resumed his activities. And when the Intifada (“uprising”) began, in October 1987, which took the Islamists by surprise, Sheik Yassin responded by creating the Hamas (The Islamic Resistance Movement): “God is our beginning, the prophet our model, the Koran our constitution”, proclaims article 7 of the charter of the organization. Ahmed Yassin was in prison when, the Oslo accords (Declaration of Principles on Interim Self-Government) were signed in September 1993. The Hamas had rejected Oslo outright. But at that time, 70% of Palestinians had condemned the attacks on Israeli civilians. Yassin did everything in his power to undermine the Oslo accords. Even prior to Prime Minister Rabin’s death, he had the support of the Israeli government. The latter was very reluctant to implement the peace agreement. The Hamas then launched a carefully timed campaign of attacks against civilians who were already poverty stricken and living in metal sheds, one day before the meeting between Palestinian and Israeli negotiators, regarding the formal recognition of Israel by the National Palestinian Council. These events were largely instrumental in the formation of a Right wing Israeli government following the May 1996 elections. Quite unexpectedly, Prime Minister Netanyahu ordered Sheik Ahmed Yassin to be released from prison (“on humanitarian grounds”) where he was serving a life sentence. Meanwhile, Netanyahu, together with President Bill Clinton, was putting pressure on Arafat to control the Hamas. In fact, Netanyahu knew that he could rely, once more, on the Islamists to sabotage the Oslo accords. Worse still: after having expelled Yassin to Jordan, Prime Minister Netanyahu allowed him to return to Gaza, where he was welcomed triumphantly as a hero in October 1997. Arafat was helpless in the face of these events. Moreover, because he had supported Saddam Hussein during the1991 Gulf war (while the Hamas had cautiously abstained from taking sides), the Gulf states decided to cut off their financing of the Palestinian Authority. Meanwhile, between February and April 1998, Sheik Ahmad Yassin was able to raise several hundred million dollars, from those same countries. The budget of the Hamas was said to be greater than that of the Palestinian Authority. These new sources of funding enabled the Islamists to effectively pursue their various charitable activities. It is estimated that one Palestinian out of three is the recipient of financial aid from the Hamas. And in this regard, Israel has done nothing to curb the inflow of money into the occupied territories. The Hamas had built its strength through its various acts of sabotage of the peace process, in a way which was compatible with the interests of the Israeli government. In turn, the latter sought in a number of ways, to prevent the application of the Oslo accords. In other words, Hamas was fulfilling the functions for which it was originally created: to prevent the creation of a Palestinian State. And in this regard, Hamas and Ariel Sharon, see eye to eye; they are exactly on the same wave length.¨

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¨Did you know that Hamas was really created by the Mossad of Israel for the strategic purpose of preventing the creation of a Palestinian state? Thanks to the Mossad, Israel’s “Institute for Intelligence and Special Tasks”, the Hamas was allowed to reinforce its presence in the occupied territories.¨

I don't have the link to this article but if you do your own research on G o o, you will find other information. I am not defending Hamas actions that were horrible.

The Mossad didn't see it coming. Impossible.

This last Saturday event is similar to the 911 Agenda, a PsyOp Operation to create war, terror and control.

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Yes, I did and it doesn't really matter who created it, just that it needs to cease to exist now. Remember in the 70's when the PLO was committing all sorts of terrorist attacks? Supporting a group which opposed the PLO was a no brainer but hamas has now morphed into what the PLO used to be.

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".... but it beats being dead."

I'd say that's debatable.

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Then you are an idiot.

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It’s actually up to Hamas and Israel how many people get killed in Gaza.

Hamas has pretty much every citizen wired up to a bomb.

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Nope, just hamas. Israel must eliminate hamas, or accept this will continue forever. For Israel dead Gazans are an avoidable tragedy of removing hamas. For hamas the dead Gazans are a bonus they don't want to avoid.

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I was reminded recently that a majority of “those civilians” voted in an election to be led by Hamas. Please consider.

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I think their election was just as rigged as ours. And look at who we have running the world vis (ostensibly) via the oval office. Will the US general population deserve the nuclear exchange that is currently being invited by this administration?

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You’re right about that but consider the supposed 81 million votes for a brain dead lying, child molesting traitor. People are STUPID!

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Yeah, we’re all getting played in a giant orchestrated global takeover.

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I consider that they are supposed.

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You got that right!

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I read many were afraid not to. There is much inconsistency, as we should expect especially now, as to what percentage of Palestinians supports Hamas and what percentage does not.

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Gaza accepted land for peace. Then elected Hamas. Their children calmly discuss the righteousness of killing every last Jew because their god demands this of them. The moral relativism that I see all over these stacks, professed in universities, and blithely parroted by people who really should have a better grasp of history is part of the shabby intellectual life and moral rot in which we find our world today.

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Your quotes are misplaced.

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Thanks. Yeah - over (or just generally “sucky”) punctuation is one of my many faults.

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I have many Jewish friends including some that are from Israel or have lived there. What is happening is a great tragedy and I pray for your people.

However, from an outsiders standpoint, is it really possible that this attack could have been carried out with the normal extraordinary surveillance and security that the IDF and the Mossad are so famous for? I ask because the leaders of all countries, including the US and Israel, have sold out their populations to the jab. I have heard various things about the political situation Bibi was facing as well as unpopular changes to the constitution being presented, that I assume would facilitate the great reset. I don’t follow Israeli politics however so what I heard might be off base. Hopefully you can provide some insight.

Thanks and praying you and the other Israeli citizens stay safe.

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I caught a pic of Netanyahu on the ground, wearing some kind of khaki military vest, talking to soldiers--and it gave me immediate flashbacks of Zelensky and his stupid khaki t-shirt.

It's the same goddamn script.

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Absolutely

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Straight out of CNN and their green screens and wind machines.

All a psy op

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I’m curious. If it’s the same script, then where are videos and pictures of all of the atrocities that Russia supposedly did to Ukraine? Did it not occur to the globalists to video them so the world would rally in support of Ukraine? I don’t recall seeing videos of young Ukrainian women being drug out of vehicles after obviously being raped. I don’t recall videos of stripped down, dead Ukrainian women being spat on in the back of a pick up truck. I don’t recall pictures of babies being burned alive or families massacred while in their beds. If all the globalists needed was a fake war, why pick Ukraine and do so poorly in convincing the world in the first place?Why not pick Israel? None of this makes sense.

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Apparently the world didn’t need pics to believe the Ukraine story.

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If the world didn’t need them, then why another war with Israel and Hamas?

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Deagel

Money laundering

Culling of humanity

Georgia Guidestones

Keep asking questions

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Yep, just like Patrick-Bet David does here:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wPx1muBhjZc&t=1539s

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Think about it.

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I have been thinking about it. Did the globalists go from faking a “war” in Ukraine to actually committing and videoing real atrocities in Israel in order to bring about WW3? The problems between Israel and Palestine go back decades. Why not just start there?

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Evil Globalists who unleashed this terror have infiltrated every government including sacred Israel. In every generation an existential threat battles the Jewish people as written in the Talmud 2000 years ago. We will fight like hell and with the almighty by our side, demolish this latest evil.

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Fight to get the Evil out of the Israeli government.

Always start at home.

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^^^Adding to this, it seems that many Israelis *were* attempting to fight Evil at home before Hamas went undetected at the border:

https://open.substack.com/pub/celiafarber/p/kirk-israel-was-on-the-brink-of-a?r=ib87&utm_medium=ios&utm_campaign=post

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Glad you got it off your chest. You know enough to be careful with your words...”Gaza is now fully associated with Hamas...” that’s a dishonest way of saying that you see everyone in Gaza as Hamas. Yet that is something that cannot be true and you know it. I’m just trying to get you to be clearer in your language. Then you do what the Nazis did and use dehumanising language. I’m sure we all learned from different sources how important this is in the process towards promoting the holocaust - I learned it from Primo Levi. My advice is that you should read more on the subject and write less. You are, of course free to ignore this advice. Either way, you should be clear what your words as you have written them mean, which is a call to collective punishment of the people of Gaza. If that’s not true, say it.

There are evil people and they do evil things. We must condemn those acts and those that carry them out. Only that. Israelis deserve to live in peace. The people of Gaza deserve to live in peace. All the best.

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Like that cynical line:

If they run, they’re VC (Viet Cong)

If they stand still, they’re well-trained VC

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I’m afraid you have lost me. How does that relate to what I wrote?

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Thank you for your reply.

It has to do with the loss of compassion while labeling and dehumanizing others.

We ought to wage peace and allow others to live in peace.

War is indeed an invocation of hell on Earth. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S06nIz4scvI

Let cooler heads prevail, and let our hearts lean towards peace.

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Unimprovable. ❤️

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I've always tried to distinguish between Hamas and the people of Gaza (unwilling partners). That has been demolished by the insane cheering and partying on Gaza streets, as they take turns stabbing and kicking the corpses of Israelis brought back for sport. And still others are filming it for them, and uploading it!

Put that together with the news that of the 1500 invading rapists and killers who were left dead on Israeli soil, 800 of them weren't even Hamas members.

If it's 'only' 60 or 80 or 90 percent who support the massacres, what is Israel supposed to do with that?

Collective punishment is a horrible alternative. But Egypt has closed the Rafah crossing "indefinitely" and I don't see any other country offering to evacuate Gazan women and children. Just a few of the European cities that took in millions of migrants could include the dissenting Gazans (half a million, max).

NO. The world WANTS to leave Israel alone with this no-win dilemma.

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I'm glad you like Israel. I've been there myself. I feel closer to Israelis than to Palestinians.

Israel is not America though, and this is not America's war. America should not be taking sides or funding any foreign battles with US tax dollars.

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I agree. A shame that America didn't think about the consequences of "taking sides" when they decided it was okay to unfreeze huge amounts of money for Iran and Hamas. It's not like no one knew what the fanatics would do with those billions - they've been yelling "death to Israel" for decades.

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The first two paragraphs of your post is MY story actually. I went to the US with my mother and brother in 1967 as a ten year old. We repatriated to Norway in 69, much to my dismay. I returned to the US in 1978, and stayed for 13 years before returning to Norway (which I'm now glad I did seeing what has happened in the US the past 20+ years.

You should read what Seymour Hersh wrote the other day about Netanyahu: https://seymourhersh.substack.com/p/netanyahu-is-finished

Hamas is an Israeli government creation, and there are elements within that government that only know hatred. I view this war as a false flag event designed to give the Israeli government an opportunity to erase Gaza.

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Land grabbing!

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The sad thing is that you have to break some eggs in order to make an omelet The eggs in this case are Israeli and Palestinian civilians, and the omelet is what was Gaza. Yes, land grabbing plain and simple.

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Based on sources that Steven Bnoon has reported on Israeli News Live, he is told this was a False Flag, Stand Down.

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Thank you. Praying for Israel. We know the truth.

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Thank you so much. Praying for Israel and Jerusalem

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I would have expected a little more objectivity. I will unsubscribe

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Go for it. We're busy battling beasts and people online who support them.

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...and the children? I can never, ever, stand In support of the brutality being waged against the civilians involved. Truly, may God have mercy on the civilians on both sides of this conflict. What would Jesus do?

There are 100's of thousands of children in the line of fire.

My heart breaks for the children. For the mothers. For the devastation.

Let us remind ourselves of those most evil rulers, who are stoking these fires. We cannot allow ourselves to be their pawns in the next step of their plans.

Praying.

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The Palestinians teach their children to hate Israelis. They grow up to be the terrorists you saw rape and murder women and children.

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There are videos of Gazan children joining the grownups in abusing the corpses of Israelis and taunting the hostages.

It's the logical outcome of the moms and dads teaching their kids from age 2 to wish death on all the Jews. It's child abuse and the 'human rights' world has turned a blind eye to it for decades.

My heart breaks too, but this is a culture that PUTS its children directly in the line of fire because they KNOW Israel's values are different.

Israelis sacrificing themselves will not save the children of Gaza. The abuse will go on.

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Etana,

Do you need direct funds and supplies? The major organizations are collecting but better to go direct.

Please let me know.

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Pls let me know.

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Thank you so much! I'm actually running some local activities on the ground here to support the locals. I didnt want to fundraise on here, but send me an email etanadee@gmail.com and i'll tell you how you can help, and exactly what the funds will be used for.

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Etana I cannot find the information you sent me yesterday. I have searched everywhere. I am so sorry to bother you again given all you are doing. Please send the Zelle information and if you can copy and paste what you are doing I will send to some friends who may contrubute. Thank you!!!

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I have also. Thank you so much for all you are doing.

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Just sent

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Objectivity? Wow

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Hamas was created and financed by your beloved apartheid Bibi because he viewed Hamas religious extremists as smaller threat than Arafat’s secular PLO. In addition, like Bibi and US government, Hamas was opposed to UN two-state solution, which Bibi and his extremist supporters sabotaged for decades.

Genocidal Israel is entering very dark and well-deserved clouds....

See more on that by recent articles by Seymour Hirsh in Sub-stack.

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Why I no longer stand with Israel, and never will again – Scott Ritter, Oct. 13

Hamas was created and financed for years by “our beloved” apartheid Bibi (of “Kill Rabin” fame), who believed that Arafat’s secular PLO was a more serious enemy than religious extremists.

Hamas was also rejecting a two-state solution -- just like Bibi and his extremists who, together with US, sabotaged a two-state solution for decades.

https://open.substack.com/pub/scottritter/p/why-i-no-longer-stand-with-israel?r=byea&utm_medium=ios&utm_campaign=post

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Perhaps Israel is no longer the land of the Jews and is instead the land of the Netan-YAHOOS?

At the very least, it seems like Israelis are being forced to see in black and white and support him.

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How do you describe a country (US) that totally supports, militarily and financially, TWO countries (U + I) with Nazi-dominated governments?

A TWO-state solution ( which was sabotaged for decades by both apartheid Bibi/US and Hamas ) – NOW

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There is an article retrieved by the State of the Nation website the exact origins of Hamas. This is correct. Also, in regards to Seymour Hersch, he exposed what countries supported ISIS: NATO, QATAR, ISRAEL. Veterans Today also substantiated this information.

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¨Did you know that Hamas was really created by the Mossad of Israel for the strategic purpose of preventing the creation of a Palestinian state? Thanks to the Mossad, Israel’s “Institute for Intelligence and Special Tasks”, the Hamas was allowed to reinforce its presence in the occupied territories.¨

I don't have the link to this article but if you do your own research on G o o, you will find other information. I am not defending Hamas actions that were horrible.

The Mossad didn't see it coming. Impossible. Where was IDF that Saturday morning?

This last Saturday event is similar to the 911 Inside Job, a PsyOp Operation to create war, terror and control.

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Ron Paul stated in the house around 20 years ago now that "israel" had set up Hamas as an opposition to the PLO and then complained when it too "went rogue" after seeing that "israelis" speak with forked tongue. Paul said that both "israel" and the US would regret setting up Hamas just as the US had regretted setting up al quaeda etc etc etc in the past. It looks like Paul was correct or that "israel" has just attacked itself as a pretext for genocide.

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Exactly! ¨Former British Foreign secretary, Robin Cook said:

Bin Laden was, though, a product of a monumental miscalculation by western security agencies. Throughout the 80s he was armed by the CIA and funded by the Saudis to wage jihad against the Russian occupation of Afghanistan.

Several other authors, journalists and statesmen have all made the claim that Bin Laden was funded, armed and trained by the CIA to fight off the Russians.¨ https://newsone.com/1205745/cia-osama-bin-laden-al-qaeda/

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¨ISIS is not merely an instrument of terror used by America to topple the Syrian government; it is also used to put pressure on Iran.

The last time Iran invaded another nation was in 1738. Since independence in 1776, the U.S. has been engaged in over 53 military invasions and expeditions. Despite what the Western media’s war cries would have you believe, Iran is clearly not the threat to regional security, Washington is. An Intelligence Report published in 2012, endorsed by all sixteen U.S. intelligence agencies, confirms that Iran ended its nuclear weapons program in 2003. Truth is, any Iranian nuclear ambition, real or imagined, is as a result of American hostility towards Iran, and not the other way around.

America is using ISIS in three ways: to attack its enemies in the Middle East, to serve as a pretext for U.S. military intervention abroad, and at home to foment a manufactured domestic threat, used to justify the unprecedented expansion of invasive domestic surveillance.

By rapidly increasing both government secrecy and surveillance, Mr. Obama’s government is increasing its power to watch its citizens, while diminishing its citizens’ power to watch their government. Terrorism is an excuse to justify mass surveillance, in preparation for mass revolt.

The so-called “War on Terror” should be seen for what it really is: a pretext for maintaining a dangerously oversized U.S. military. The two most powerful groups in the U.S. foreign policy establishment are the Israel lobby, which directs U.S. Middle East policy, and the Military-Industrial-Complex, which profits from the former group’s actions. Since George W. Bush declared the “War on Terror” in October 2001, it has cost the American taxpayer approximately 6.6 trillion dollars and thousands of fallen sons and daughters; but, the wars have also raked in billions of dollars for Washington’s military elite.¨ Read More https://www.counterpunch.org/2014/09/19/how-the-us-helped-create-al-qaeda-and-isis/

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“monumental miscalculation” is right!

Seems all these folks do is monumentally miscalculate.

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"...., but if you do your own research on G o o, you will find other information."

One doesn't have to work hard at it either. Seymour Hersh's two latest posts on substack explains everything about Hamas in detail.

https://seymourhersh.substack.com/

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¨Did you know that Hamas was really created by the Mossad of Israel for the strategic purpose of preventing the creation of a Palestinian state? Thanks to the Mossad, Israel’s “Institute for Intelligence and Special Tasks”, the Hamas was allowed to reinforce its presence in the occupied territories. Meanwhile, Arafat’s Fatah Movement for National Liberation as well as the Palestinian Left were subjected to the most brutal form of repression and intimidation Let us not forget that it was Israel, which in fact created Hamas. According to Zeev Sternell, historian at the Hebrew University of Jerusalem, “Israel thought that it was a smart ploy to push the Islamists against the Palestinian Liberation Organisation (PLO)”. Ahmed Yassin, the spiritual leader of the Islamist movement in Palestine, returning from Cairo in the seventies, established an Islamic charity association. Prime Minister Golda Meir, saw this as a an opportunity to counterbalance the rise of Arafat’s Fatah movement. According to the Israeli weekly Koteret Rashit (October 1987), “The Islamic associations as well as the university had been supported and encouraged by the Israeli military authority” in charge of the (civilian) administration of the West Bank and Gaza. “They [the Islamic associations and the university] were authorized to receive money payments from abroad.” The Islamists set up orphanages and health clinics, as well as a network of schools, workshops which created employment for women as well as system of financial aid to the poor. And in 1978, they created an “Islamic University” in Gaza. “The military authority was convinced that these activities would weaken both the PLO and the leftist organizations in Gaza.” At the end of 1992, there were six hundred mosques in Gaza. Thanks to Israel’s intelligence agency Mossad (Israel’s Institute for Intelligence and Special Tasks), the Islamists were allowed to reinforce their presence in the occupied territories. Meanwhile, the members of Fatah (Movement for the National Liberation of Palestine) and the Palestinian Left were subjected to the most brutal form of repression. In 1984, Ahmed Yassin was arrested and condemned to twelve years in prison, after the discovery of a hidden arms cache. But one year later, he was set free and resumed his activities. And when the Intifada (“uprising”) began, in October 1987, which took the Islamists by surprise, Sheik Yassin responded by creating the Hamas (The Islamic Resistance Movement): “God is our beginning, the prophet our model, the Koran our constitution”, proclaims article 7 of the charter of the organization. Ahmed Yassin was in prison when, the Oslo accords (Declaration of Principles on Interim Self-Government) were signed in September 1993. The Hamas had rejected Oslo outright. But at that time, 70% of Palestinians had condemned the attacks on Israeli civilians. Yassin did everything in his power to undermine the Oslo accords. Even prior to Prime Minister Rabin’s death, he had the support of the Israeli government. The latter was very reluctant to implement the peace agreement. The Hamas then launched a carefully timed campaign of attacks against civilians who were already poverty stricken and living in metal sheds, one day before the meeting between Palestinian and Israeli negotiators, regarding the formal recognition of Israel by the National Palestinian Council. These events were largely instrumental in the formation of a Right wing Israeli government following the May 1996 elections. Quite unexpectedly, Prime Minister Netanyahu ordered Sheik Ahmed Yassin to be released from prison (“on humanitarian grounds”) where he was serving a life sentence. Meanwhile, Netanyahu, together with President Bill Clinton, was putting pressure on Arafat to control the Hamas. In fact, Netanyahu knew that he could rely, once more, on the Islamists to sabotage the Oslo accords. Worse still: after having expelled Yassin to Jordan, Prime Minister Netanyahu allowed him to return to Gaza, where he was welcomed triumphantly as a hero in October 1997. Arafat was helpless in the face of these events. Moreover, because he had supported Saddam Hussein during the1991 Gulf war (while the Hamas had cautiously abstained from taking sides), the Gulf states decided to cut off their financing of the Palestinian Authority. Meanwhile, between February and April 1998, Sheik Ahmad Yassin was able to raise several hundred million dollars, from those same countries. The budget of the Hamas was said to be greater than that of the Palestinian Authority. These new sources of funding enabled the Islamists to effectively pursue their various charitable activities. It is estimated that one Palestinian out of three is the recipient of financial aid from the Hamas. And in this regard, Israel has done nothing to curb the inflow of money into the occupied territories. The Hamas had built its strength through its various acts of sabotage of the peace process, in a way which was compatible with the interests of the Israeli government. In turn, the latter sought in a number of ways, to prevent the application of the Oslo accords. In other words, Hamas was fulfilling the functions for which it was originally created: to prevent the creation of a Palestinian State. And in this regard, Hamas and Ariel Sharon, see eye to eye; they are exactly on the same wave length.¨

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The blood drinkers, the cabal want war. This is what they want. General Wesley Clark comment about war in the Middle East. The last country was Iran.

¨So I came back to see him a few weeks later, and by that time we were bombing in Afghanistan. I said, "Are we still going to war with Iraq?" And he said, "Oh, it's worse than that." He reached over on his desk. He picked up a piece of paper. And he said, "I just got this down from upstairs" -- meaning the Secretary of Defense's office -- "today." And he said, "This is a memo that describes how we're going to take out seven countries in five years, starting with Iraq, and then Syria, Lebanon, Libya, Somalia, Sudan and, finishing off, Iran." Read More

General Wesley Clark Wars Were Planned Seven Countries In Five Years 2:12 min

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FNt7s_Wed_4

General Clark on the Iraq Invasion | American War Generals 2:59 min

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UcWs4TFSjrY

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Please watch the comment of Colonel (Res.) Joel Piterberg - IDF Helicopter Pilot at 7:15 and other comments. He is comparing Gaza with the Warsaw Ghetto in WW2.

Refuseniks and Israeli Soldiers speak out 10:30 min

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Ga0s936ldU

Warsaw Ghetto https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Warsaw_Ghetto

https://allthatsinteresting.com/warsaw-ghetto

https://www.history.com/topics/world-war-ii/warsaw-ghetto-uprising

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The State of the Nation website retrieved an article relates to Hamas orgins.

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Do your own research. Everybody knows that Hamas is a creation of Israel, Netanyahu.

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US government is now totally supporting TWO Nazi-dominated governments. This will not end up good...

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God has promised. You will prevail. God's will be done in the coming days, weeks and months of chaos and turmoil and unrest. Praying for Israel.

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Defense minister announces ‘complete siege’ of Gaza: No power, food or fuel. Defense Minister Yoav Gallant says he has ordered a “complete siege” of the Gaza Strip, as Israel fights the Hamas terror group. “I have ordered a complete siege on the Gaza Strip. There will be no electricity, no food, no fuel, everything is closed,” Gallant says following an assessment at the IDF Southern Command in Beersheba. “We are fighting human animals and we are acting accordingly,” he adds.

Who is behaving like a human animal? A sad day for the world.

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It’s so effing emotional and reactive and propagandistic.

Makes me sick.

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SECURITY EXPERTS BLAME ISRAEL GOVERNMENT FOR ATTACK : THEY HAD SOURCES INSIDE

Posted by Yudi Sherman October 11, 2023

¨Security experts are blaming Israel’s government for Saturday’s invasion in which Muslim forces from Gaza massacred over 1,200 Israelis and kidnapped at least one hundred hostages.

So far no investigations have been launched into how the invaders were able to cross Israel’s heavily fortified border unimpeded, nor why it took Israel’s highly trained security forces over six hours to respond to calls for help.

Since 2005, when Israel expelled all Jewish residents from Gaza and ceded the territory to Muslims, Israel has been building sophisticated defense systems along the border. Foreseeing a possible above-ground invasion, Israel spent $220 million to develop an advanced security system “with no margin of error.” This includes barbed wire fences and a 23-foot high wall. Motion sensors are embedded in the ground along the electronic fences, which are accompanied by watchtowers armed with remote-control machine guns. The border is also patrolled by unmanned aerial vehicles (UAVs), or drones, and Humvees operated by highly trained troops. Hundreds of night-vision cameras placed along the border constantly transmit to command centers which are operational 24/7.

Also deployed along the Gaza border is at least one semi-autonomous robotic vehicle called the Jaguar, equipped with dozens of cameras, sensors, transmitters and a 7.62mm MAG machine gun. The Jaguar sports a remote-controlled PA system and can self-destruct if captured by the enemy.

To stave off underground invasions, a 40-mile-long underground “smart fence” equipped with hundreds of AI-powered cameras, radar, and other sensors. The fence can detect infiltration by sea and is connected to a remote-controlled weapons system. One hundred and forty thousand tons of steel and concrete were reportedly used to build the barrier.

Israel’s Gazan border security also includes Sky Dew, a giant airborne balloon designed to help the Israel Air Force detect threats such as missiles and aircraft.

Video footage from Saturday’s invasion shows Muslim forces using a single bulldozer to dismantle a barbed wire fence. Media operatives have tried to claim that the invaders were able to cross the border after first dropping bombs on observation towers, somehow evading detection by Sky Dew, UAVs, electronic sensors and patrols. There is also no explanation for how the loss of transmission escaped notice by the military and intelligence units in the command centers.

Those units conduct regular drills and maneuvers. According to one military commander who was stationed at the Gaza border, one of those drills is a daily “dawn alert” during which both the night and day shifts inspect the border’s defenses. The Muslim forces, who invaded during the dawn hours, would have stumbled into a massive surveillance exercise by hypervigilant troops.

“In the 40 or more years that I’ve been following Israel one way or another, I’ve never seen this happen,” commented Trump-appointed former US Ambassador to Israel David Friedman. “I’ve never seen the border breached in this manner. Usually, even one person from Gaza gets close to the border, they’re intercepted and neutralized long before they can do anything. This is just something I’ve never seen before. It’s of course a large intelligence failure.”

Israeli officials have also not addressed how hours after the attack began and Israel’s forces had been alerted, the invaders were able to return the way they came, taking hostages on dirt bikes back to Gaza.

“It is almost inconceivable how they missed this,” said CIA counterterrorism veteran Marc Polymeropoulos.

Security experts are also baffled as to how Israel’s intelligence network, which includes the feared Mossad and the country’s domestic intelligence agency, the Shin Bet, could have been ignorant of the operation.

“I’m truly astonished for something of this magnitude to go down and for the Israelis to have no clue that this is about to happen. I’m just speechless,” said Senior Fellow Colin Clarke at the global security research tank Soufan Center. “They have had sources inside these Palestinian groups for years.”

“Israel has exquisite, world-class intelligence collection and analysis capabilities and would have a far better picture of what’s going on in its own backyard. This one falls squarely on the Israelis,” he added.

Former Kerem Shalom Battalion Commander Yoram Erez wrote: "Something here doesn't add up to me!!! This is a mystery that I can't find an answer to since yesterday?

"I happen to know how things work in Gaza and on the border. I was the commander of the Kerem Shalom sector (Rafiah), I was in charge of Kissuf sector, I know the perimeter fence very well, I know how the army works there. I was in the Shatti refugee camp in Gaza, I was in charge of the Jibaliya refugee camp, I would make ambushes on the fence and deep in the area. I met Gazans, ate and breathed Gaza.

"The obstacle is built so that even a fox cannot pass it:

"Alerts are set according to 3 levels of pressure. It must alert when it is cut. There are, 24/7, forces that are responsible for arriving within a few minutes, if not seconds, to the point where there is an alert in the fence.

"Every day they do at least one penetration drill. Each subdivision has a standby squad whose role is to increase the force in an emergency situation. Observations scattered along the border cover every inch of it.

"The female observers are champions at identification. They don't miss. They detect movement even before it even approaches the obstacle - day and night. At problematic points (dead areas) they place a tank with observation and detection capabilities, and a terrifying firepower. In some cases snipers are deployed in the field.

"Every day before dawn there is a ‘dawn alert’ procedure. At this hour all the forces are awake (in this case also the hour when hundreds of terrorists entered Israel). The night shift alternates with the day shift. The commander of each force inspects the axis to make sure there were no infiltrations during the night.

"Trackers that move on the axis know how to recognize traces. They know who crossed the fence, how much and even when.

"Each scenario has a clear procedure. For example, a procedure for infiltrating terrorists, a procedure for taking hostages. Everything is written in blood and has been proving itself for years.

"There are several other layers of security that this is not the place to talk about. In short, we are talking about an obstacle that proves itself for years and years.

"So how the hell does a Palestinian tractor move towards the fence without anyone reacting to it?

"How did the tractor manage to sabotage the fence for a long hour and open access to Israel without anyone reacting to it?

"How did hundreds of terrorists and civilians cross the barrier without anyone on our side lifting a finger?

"How did terrorists arrive on foot and in vehicles, armed from head to toe, to dozens of Israeli settlements, without any reaction from our side?

"How did hundreds of terrorists stay in Israeli territory for long hours, shoot hundreds of Israelis, loot property, without there being even a single reaction on our side?

"How did it happen that hundreds of terrorists kidnapped dozens of Israelis, woke women, children, babies, old people from their deaths, surprised soldiers, officers when they were not ready, and kidnapped them to Gaza, without anyone stopping them?

"How is it that one bullet was not fired?

"How did all this happen under our noses?

"Where did an entire division go?

"Where did 3 brigades go?

"Who swallowed 9 battalions?

"What happened to 36 companies?

"Where did an entire regular infantry brigade go that usually outnumbers the elite?

"Where were all the reserve battalions that augment the regular army?

"Where did thousands of soldiers go???

"Someone here needs to provide explanations!!"

https://frontline.news/post/security-experts-blame-israel-government-for-attack-they-had-sources-inside

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If Hamas was created by the Mossad, that means the event on last Saturday 7, 2023 was orchestrated by Israel. So they killed their own people to accomplish what they want to do since a long time. Erase Gaza and take the land. Netanyahu has warned Palestinians to leave Gaza. To leave Gaza? How? To go where?

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It is the only thing that makes sense.

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Not necessarily true but a very high chance of being true.

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False Flag, Stand Down. Israeli News Live, Steven Bnoon.

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